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[bigraj]

I can't believe I actually enjoyed the in-ring work of Brie Bella. She looked really good in there with AJ. Pretty smooth movement by both of them.

[Captain Charisma]

Bryan vs. Ambrose, Dolph vs. Orton, Miz and Kofi got the best match out of the Wyatt minions thusfar, Real Americans looked great (best tag team in the world), Uso's vs. Shield was pretty good. Big E/Punk vs. Heyman Guys was another fun tag match. I was pleased with the in ring product tonight. Goldy was great on commentary too. Not a bad show at all.

[darthfoley]

My fridge died yesterday afternoon, so I was fumbling around and missed the show last night. Sounds like I might want to catch a replay over the weekend.

[Captain Charisma]

Especially if you like tag wrestling, there was lots of it. Big E might end up being a pretty decent face. He get's Axel for the IC Title at the HIAC pre-show, I wouldn't be shocked if he took the title and feuds with Ryback after. Could be interesting. The Real American's are the best tag team on the planet, so it's always fun to watch them. Contract signing was more about HHH, Shawn, and Show than Randy (who flubbed a couple of lines) and Daniel, but they did their part on selling their match.

If for nothing else you have to watch the conclusion to hear HHH's promo that blew up the internet. He mentions RVD, Jericho, and Edge is all I will say, but pay attention to that, ha. Jericho smashed him on Twitter after and Edge laughed it off, so take it for what its worth, definitely worth hearing though.

Has led me to change my belief in what the end game will be, or well, what the end game should be. If you want to know what I mean by that I will tell you, it wouldn't spoil anything that was said anyway.

[darthfoley]

Sure, fire away.

[Captain Charisma]

Jack is going to say I'm crazy, and it isn't particularly what I want to see personally, but HHH's promo last night sealed it, the end game to this story should be Daniel pinning Hunter clean at Wrestlemania. Show takes up Hunter's time until then, those 2 have a match at Survivor Series and they do a traditional 5 on 5, Team Daniel vs. Team Orton. One more PPV this year, shake things up a bit at Rumble, but the way they've been telling the story, the promo's Hunter has been cutting ESPECIALLY last nights, the end of this story should be Daniel beating Hunter cleanly.

I want Daniel vs. Punk in the Main Event of Mania, given 45 minutes, babyface besties competing all out for the top prize. Promo's about the armories and Jr. High gym's, the whole she-bang, that is what I want for the main event of my first mania live. But it is looking less and less likely haha. I still think Jack is right and they will do Hunter vs. Shawn at Mania, but with all the crap Hunter has been saying, it is almost to the point that if Daniel doesn't pin a Hunter, HBK, Rocky, Brock Lesnar, Hulk Hogan, or Andre the Giant he won't make it to the top. Beating Cena wasn't enough, beating Orton won't be enough, yadda yadda yadda. And it's Hunter's own fault.

I'm not sure if they would ever do it, but the conclusion to the story they are telling should be Hunter doing the job for Bryan at Mania.

[bigraj]

I'm afraid you're right. In storyline, the only way HHH will accept DB as an A-lister will be for Bryan to beat him in a match (although beating both Cena and Orton should be all the credentials he needs) and it'll take a while before he'll be convinced (or forced) to take a match with DB. Maybe we'll get Bryan-Punk at WM XXXI for the title. Hell, I still want a Cena-Punk classic as a WrestleMania main event, but I'm losing hope that it'll happen. We never did a proper HHH-Rock WM main event.

[Captain Charisma]

Agreed. I wouldn't be against Punk vs. Cena, much like Edge vs. Cena, it deserves the Mania stage they deserve eternal life. That is what Mania is for wrestling matches. I worry what a Punk vs. Cena Mania match would mean for Daniel though. But if Daniel is still tied up with Hunter, Shawn, Show, Vince, and all that come Mania, then Punk vs. Cena (unless they do Cena vs. Taker) might be a very real possibility. I think what happens to TNA in the coming months can really affect Mania as well. If the E gets their hands on Sting, then I think Crow-ish Sting vs. Taker would have to happen at Mania, right?

Dude I might die from personal fulfillment if we get Sting vs. Taker, Punk vs. Bryan or Cena and those matches reach expectation levels, and Jericho, Rocky, Austin all appear in some form or fashion. And I don't rule anything out with them going for 100k in the Superdome. Hell way some rumor sites are talking Punk vs. Austin at this Mania hasn't been entirely ruled out. If they turn Cena heel and put him vs. Bryan, and give us Sting vs. Taker, Punk vs. Austin, and HHH vs. HBK then I don't think there is much doubt they'd hit 100k. And that hasn't mentioned Brock whose is contracted for Mania already. Course Hunter won't ever be 4th from the top at Mania, so that match order can be discarded lol.

Nothing in that paragraph has any real evidence to support it, we are talking about Pro-Wrestling Rumor Twitter feeds, and Hashtag Heel's pro wrestling fantasies, nothing to take to the bank. I will say this tho, Punk and Austin have been planting seeds for a couple years at this point, Austin has said more than once if he gets one more match it would be Punk and it would be Mania, so I guess those Twitter feeds aren't actually lying, and Sting to WWE will be a constant rumor as long as TNA is performing to half-empty buildings lol.

The storyteller in me sees that HHH has to job to Daniel to totally payoff the angle, but the cynic (realist?) in me believe Hunter is trying to piss off the IWC and is actually heading to a match with Shawn at Mania. And I'm totally cool with being wrong about all of this, it's just that I follow JR's blog via email, and he says he would be very shocked if the Mania Card isn't already set, written with a pencil that has a big eraser not a sharpie, but set none the less.

I think whether or not Vince is pulling the strings to get Show into the building, on the titantron, and is returning as a face, will clarify a lot of questions. Something else I don't want to see, but I'm afraid will come true. I mean they're really dropping hints that someone is helping Show out last week or so.

[darthfoley]

Sting would need to put in some serious training time to be able to carry off a WM level match. He reminds me of Flair on the last Nitro lately, wrestling in a tshirt because he's embarassed at how out of shape he is (I don't know if that's true, but that's how it feels). But a Stinger on his game and Taker on his? Fuck yes.

What are Taker's legit possibilities at this point? Cena, Brock...who else?

I would desperately love to see Bryan/Punk at Mania, especially if they're given leave to do what they can do, but I just don't think it happens.

[Kimmel]

Right now Punk's got Orton at Wrestlemania

[Captain Charisma]

WTF? I hope that gets erased lol. They had the best match at Mania 27, but it doesn't need a sequel. That match helps Randy more than Punk, IMO, and Punk should be more involved than that. My opinion anyway.

Like I say, the Sting talk, Bryan/Punk, all of that is basically my wish list. At this point Bryan has to be in some type of main event against some member of "team corporate." The one possibility I do like about Punk and Orton is that it would seem like Punk will be moving into the Bryan vs. The Machine angle. As much as I've loved his feud with Heyman and his guys, Hell in the Cell is bound to be the blow-off. I think they are setting up a Ryback vs. Big E. feud at this point, and backing up Bryan is the perfect role for Punk. They are like the IWC's version of the Mega Powers

I hooked up my VCR a week or two ago and have been watching some of my VHS' recently. Last night I put in Glory by Honor III from 2004, Punk vs. Aries, Am Drag vs. Alex Shelley, and Joe vs. Doug Williams. Thankfully Trester's best buddy Mark Nutly wasn't on commentary for that show, and Punk called half the card. I know a lot of it was gimmick, and what else would he say, but he called Bryan Danielson the best wrestler in the world, never in my or their wildest dreams would they expect to be the #1 and #2 babyfaces in the WWE a decade later. Unreal how things turned out.

And yes, Punk vs. Aries was great. For all the shit people like to give classic ROH about being overrated and overhyped in their first few years of existence, the tapes I have from the 03-06 era, really hold up well.

[Kimmel]

The other scuttlebutt is Bryan will be winning Royal Rumble after entering at #1

[bigraj]

Oct 24, 2013 18:57:03 GMT Kimmel said:

The other scuttlebutt is Bryan will be winning Royal Rumble after entering at #1

Works for me.

[Captain Charisma]

Oct 24, 2013 18:57:03 GMT Kimmel said:

The other scuttlebutt is Bryan will be winning Royal Rumble after entering at #1

Yea that would definitely be awesome, but beg's the question, who would be champion? If Orton is facing Punk and Daniel wins the rumble, I would assume that neither Orton or Bryan would be champ heading into Mania. And I'm afraid of the answer, lol. I mean after everything that has gone down, no way Daniel wins the Rumble and chooses the WHC. We are entering full-blown Stone Cold territory here, The Man holding him down, keeping him away from the title, makes him earn his way into the Rumble and then forces him into the #1 spot. Given all that info, maybe Hunter doing the job for Daniel at some point isn't as far fetched as us IWC Hunter-haters would like to believe.

HHH vs. HBK
Taker vs. Brock or Taker/Kane vs. Shield or Wyatts and Show w/Vince vs. Brock w/Heyman
Bryan vs. Cena
Orton vs. Punk

Also does that mean that Cena would have repelled Damien's cash in and unified the World and WWE titles? I was kind of hoping for Cena to beat ADR, but have his arm further injured, Damien cashes in, and Cena takes a couple more months off lol. 

These aren't necessarily questions I want you to answer Kimmel, as much as trying to start a discussion among everyone. But I'm all for D-Bry winning Rumble from #1, that would make him and HBK the only guys to do it. Mysterio technically did it from #2 the year he broke Backlund's time record. People forget that the WWE let Backlund break Flair's record in 93 once Naitch went back to WCW.

I like the Mania guessing game with Kimmel's little nuggets in inside info changing the game along the way.

[Kimmel]

I seriously doubt you are going to see HBK back in the ring.


Hunter vs. Bryan could happen, but there is a chance that you are going to see Hunter vs. old returning wrestler, the old original plan was Vince would bring in an old conquering hero to face Hunter at WM. Plus I personally don't see how Hunter vs Bryan can be held until then, no way they can stretch it that far unless they get reeeeeeeeeeally creative.

Taker vs. Brock is a big possibility, Taker vs. Cena is on the table as well, and so is Brock vs. Rock, though it looks like a no go by Rock right now, and Hunter vs. Cena is also possible.

[Captain Charisma]

Yea I don't think Brock works with anyone other than Taker, Show, or Rocky, and I also don't think Rocky can work with anyone nearly that physical, if he can work with anyone at all.

I think they can stretch out HHH vs. Bryan with Show vs. Hunter, and then the Rumble. I mean there is only 2 non big-4 ppv's left before Mania. Hunter takes on Show at Survivor Series, and then could even enter the Rumble to ensure that Bryan doesn't win. I think the biggest thing stopping Bryan vs. Hunter would be Bryan winning the Rumble, how do you get out of him taking on the WWE Champ at Mania? And please, for the love of God, don't tell me that Hunter as champ come Mania time is remotely a possibility. I don't believe that. Maybe I just hope that haha.

I figure if they wanted to bring someone not mentioned here yet back it would be Batista, but he has mentioned many times he won't come back as long as the PG rating is still on. Of course I've heard more and more vulgarity lately, only on Raw, and never in replays though. If we don't see HBK then good for him, and that means good things for Daniel I would imagine.

[bigraj]

You wouldn't have to have HHH-DB at Wrestlemania. Bryan can eliminate COOHHH to win the Rumble and they can have a match at the Feb PPV, as Hunter's last ditch effort to keep DB out of the main event picture. The match can even be setup by Vince (and the BoD), essentially saying that Hunter has to step into the ring with lowly Bryan and beating him is the only way to keep him out of the WM main event. Bryan wins and moves on to Mania to face Cena for the WWE title, Punk goes for revenge against Lesnar to finally end the Heyman feud, and maybe have Taker work wih Rocky in a safer match than either would have against Brock. Gives us a couple of great matches, and a very credible threat (to the general public) to Taker's streak to sell the event.

[Captain Charisma]

I wouldn't be against any of that, good call Raj.

[Kimmel]

One rumor I heard, and it's from a friend of a friend kinda thing, is that Bryan could win the Rumble and NOT pick a World Title to go after and instead use the win to force Triple H to face him at Wrestlemania, saying HHH has been refusing to face him for the whole angle. Then Sheamus and Cena would wrestle for the World Title at WM and Punk would battle Orton.

[Captain Charisma]

Which is obviously a great idea because beating Hunter is so much more prestigious than being WWE champion. I'm sure the creative team will have to work hard to convince Hunter that's a great idea, lol.

[bigraj]

So . . . Cena's World Champion and Orton is WWE Champion. Yay?

[darthfoley]

That's all I have to say about that.

[bigraj]

Sandow fails at his cash-in attempt, losing to a one-armed man who killed his finisher. Way to go, WWE!

[bigraj]

So . . . HHH needed to be protected from that mean bully, Daniel Bryan? Seems reasonable.

[darthfoley]

Man, a month or so ago I felt like things were finally turning the corner...and now I'm asking myself why I keep watching this stuff. Sigh.